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Jawbone Project Pits Energy Versus Golden Eagle and California Condor

Courthouse News Service --      KERN COUNTY, CA (CN) - In a windswept desert north of Los Angeles, the Sierra Club is fighting a big wind turbine project where California's critically endangered condors roost and protected golden eagles soar.
     "The project area is a historic habitat for the California condor," said Joan Taylor with the Sierra Club, contrary to the developers' report. "The report said the birds didn't roost there, but we know they do because they have collars and we track them."
     "The environmental study the companies published had no mitigations on how to prevent golden eagle deaths at all," she added.
     The 13,000-acre wind turbine project, generally called Jawbone, is located in the southern Sierra Nevada mountains in an area with regular winds rushing from the cool Pacific ocean up in

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FlyNFool Champion Author South Carolina Posts:8,249 Points:1,686,925 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 10:07:25 PM Ignore FlyNFool Report Abuse Leave it to CA.
Romey08 Champion Author Virginia Posts:6,311 Points:1,436,490 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 10:05:32 PM Ignore Romey08 Report Abuse Only in CA
DCbeachbum Champion Author South Carolina Posts:2,647 Points:905,565 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 10:05:12 PM Ignore DCbeachbum Report Abuse This article is amazing. The Sierra Club and environmentalists needs to decide just what they do want. Sorry about the Condor but if we try to keep the air clean by alternative energy and this is a good site for a wind farm. I go with people over a bird.
filcut Champion Author Anchorage Posts:1,174 Points:1,356,785 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 10:04:23 PM Ignore filcut Report Abuse Put the darn turbines in DC---lots of hot moving air there
skyking19 Champion Author Little Rock Posts:2,006 Points:1,700,790 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 10:03:36 PM Ignore skyking19 Report Abuse Decision time.
DblChek Champion Author San Antonio Posts:2,345 Points:615,245 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 10:02:56 PM Ignore DblChek Report Abuse I like the birds...give 'em the bird! Drill Here. Refine Here. Sell Here. Employ Here.
Jeffro61 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,282 Points:2,287,070 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 10:01:03 PM Ignore Jeffro61 Report Abuse Someone will always bitch about something
Shakleelady31 All-Star Author Fort Wayne Posts:571 Points:403,100 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:59:38 PM Ignore Shakleelady31 Report Abuse I am all for wind energy but I think the project could've picked a better area than protected habitats.
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,075 Points:1,733,165 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:57:33 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse OMG the liberals are fighting over birds and clean renewable what should we do?
naiiawah Champion Author Boise Posts:2,400 Points:691,800 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:57:02 PM Ignore naiiawah Report Abuse Why not offshore. If they can drill there, why not put wind turbines there? Seems like I remember the wind always blowing near the coast.
Senrac Champion Author Lincoln Posts:1,594 Points:305,635 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:55:18 PM Ignore Senrac Report Abuse ok
Hoporrene Veteran Author Mississippi Posts:312 Points:206,970 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:54:26 PM Ignore Hoporrene Report Abuse .....
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CAD69 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:3,216 Points:848,190 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:52:25 PM Ignore CAD69 Report Abuse California wants it all!
TXHUNTER1 Champion Author Austin Posts:2,711 Points:295,435 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:51:05 PM Ignore TXHUNTER1 Report Abuse A funny thing how green is bad.
seahawks Champion Author Washington Posts:3,232 Points:1,964,720 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:50:22 PM Ignore seahawks Report Abuse interesting!!!
Tucker1961 Champion Author Seattle Posts:2,157 Points:363,170 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:47:43 PM Ignore Tucker1961 Report Abuse the haves vs the have nots
texasvet Champion Author Texas Posts:3,839 Points:360,875 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:45:06 PM Ignore texasvet Report Abuse The same people who hate oil and insist that we use alternatives are the people who fight tooth and nail against windmills and solar farms anywhere within hundreds of miles of them.
eswi Champion Author Madison Posts:2,550 Points:685,105 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:41:34 PM Ignore eswi Report Abuse OK
bumpygas Champion Author Nebraska Posts:8,140 Points:1,903,035 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:39:24 PM Ignore bumpygas Report Abuse Let the government get involved and the project will never be built because the fools in government just don't have a sence of reality and they can drag this out for centuries.
dalepm Sophomore Author San Jose Posts:120 Points:229,620 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:36:25 PM Ignore dalepm Report Abuse If there was enough wind in my area I would definitely have a wind generator. Then again I wouldn't want to live where there is enough wind for onw.
TheDix Champion Author Ontario Posts:3,094 Points:600,210 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:34:15 PM Ignore TheDix Report Abuse Bye bye birdy.
pumper9x9 All-Star Author Colorado Posts:660 Points:126,625 Joined:Jul 2010	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:32:53 PM Ignore pumper9x9 Report Abuse They are building zero enrgy houses that actually make money selling electricity back to the power company. Sounds like that may be a pretty sound national policy. Short term cost would be a bit higher but long term gain would be substansial.
stephen2155 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,029 Points:659,755 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:30:33 PM Ignore stephen2155 Report Abuse ok
bvrbill Champion Author Eugene Posts:3,229 Points:520,575 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:28:44 PM Ignore bvrbill Report Abuse This is another issue that should have been resolved long ago. Being as condors are endangered, Dept of Fish & Wildlife should be tracking them. They should know just as well as the Sierra Club how many and where they are. If they are there; don't build. If not; go ahead.
mswillia Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:2,642 Points:574,080 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:26:00 PM Ignore mswillia Report Abuse all the sane people should leave California since they do not want power, or fuel.
dollarwatcher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:7,950 Points:1,536,945 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:25:43 PM Ignore dollarwatcher Report Abuse The birds will adapt or die trying.
Alaydown Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:5,121 Points:824,495 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:23:34 PM Ignore Alaydown Report Abuse I really wish I could see how much money these things cost versus the amount of power they generate. Are they really worth the cost and eyesore they present? California had been paying people to poison squirrels in the vicinity of wind turbines so that eagles would not look for them there as a food source.
EVBuddy Champion Author Nevada Posts:16,695 Points:3,032,570 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:23:19 PM Ignore EVBuddy Report Abuse Move the birds
TheSnowstorm Champion Author Montreal Posts:8,629 Points:1,915,730 Joined:June 2005	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:20:35 PM Ignore TheSnowstorm Report Abuse If it's not one thing, then it's another. You can't please everyone (or everything) and the more you try, the less gets done.
BKool Champion Author Michigan Posts:5,268 Points:1,901,280 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:17:36 PM Ignore BKool Report Abuse The Sierra Club is a problem because of weak willed leaders.
toadNY Champion Author Albany Posts:7,052 Points:1,515,100 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:16:36 PM Ignore toadNY Report Abuse The Sierra club is against every form of energy! The question is what is truth an what are Lies?
cablguy29 Veteran Author New Hampshire Posts:278 Points:98,405 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:15:30 PM Ignore cablguy29 Report Abuse Screw Condor's.
Holly123 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:3,212 Points:792,160 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:14:15 PM Ignore Holly123 Report Abuse What to do?
jetlagAK Champion Author Anchorage Posts:2,251 Points:635,675 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:13:09 PM Ignore jetlagAK Report Abuse Don't believe the hYpe and change lunatics. Anyone Else 2012!
swrestler Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:6,145 Points:1,573,025 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:12:55 PM Ignore swrestler Report Abuse Solar Power Is The Way To Go...
pumper9x9 All-Star Author Colorado Posts:660 Points:126,625 Joined:Jul 2010	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:11:38 PM Ignore pumper9x9 Report Abuse there's mitigation that can take place and the generators and birds can live in harmony. just work the sh*t out boy and girls.
theschmuck Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,927 Points:1,513,575 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:09:45 PM Ignore theschmuck Report Abuse I disagree with 'no monkey2002' because one of the birds is our national symbol and should remain unharmed. We already have enough FOOLS in Congress and the WH doing their best in ruining already. time to take back our country.
savannahoaks Champion Author Rockford Posts:2,707 Points:637,185 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:08:23 PM Ignore savannahoaks Report Abuse Environmentalists are never happy.
ericbcire Champion Author Nevada Posts:4,530 Points:1,269,285 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:06:15 PM Ignore ericbcire Report Abuse The environmentalists won't be happy until the US is a third world country.
eppylover Sophomore Author Grand Rapids Posts:231 Points:38,180 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:05:22 PM Ignore eppylover Report Abuse Ohhh, always with those nutty birds and stuff. lol
BlueVanGroup Champion Author Colorado Posts:7,209 Points:1,529,470 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:03:12 PM Ignore BlueVanGroup Report Abuse Environmentalists have a clear message: * We can't keep doing what we're doing now. * We can't do anything else.
LilRedWagonIN Champion Author Indiana Posts:7,786 Points:1,557,085 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:02:07 PM Ignore LilRedWagonIN Report Abuse Can we put collars on Sierra Club members like dogs within the invisible fence?
preacherboyFL Veteran Author Orlando Posts:444 Points:124,960 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 9:00:01 PM Ignore preacherboyFL Report Abuse :/
no_monkey2002 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:8,425 Points:2,072,900 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 8:58:42 PM Ignore no_monkey2002 Report Abuse so we lose a few birds
MG_Sputnik Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:7,315 Points:1,962,355 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 8:58:03 PM Ignore MG_Sputnik Report Abuse We're all doomed!
HA4CNN Champion Author Toronto Posts:5,634 Points:1,545,440 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 8:57:48 PM Ignore HA4CNN Report Abuse Wind energy is not the answer because it is not constant.
teatiger Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,690 Points:1,478,815 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 8:56:35 PM Ignore teatiger Report Abuse I am with seabrz below....
diegotoad Champion Author Maryland Posts:3,417 Points:817,375 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 8:54:44 PM Ignore diegotoad Report Abuse There must be some alternatives.
seabrz7 Champion Author California Posts:1,400 Points:224,810 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 8:49:36 PM Ignore seabrz7 Report Abuse Being in Calif. I have seen areas where we already have turbines and let me say its ugly to see 1000 turbines on the hills as you travel. I would rather see solar produced in the desert areas.
ratboy1968 Champion Author Montreal Posts:2,622 Points:550,750 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 8:49:27 PM Ignore ratboy1968 Report Abuse And in the end, you just know who will win this fight....
wilbur_gas Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,702 Points:648,610 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2012 8:48:15 PM Ignore wilbur_gas Report Abuse I guess we should preserve something to pick our bones while the politicians pick our pockets.