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ETHANOL: Study finds E15 damages engines, roiling debate over EPA approval

E&E News -- Two popular gasoline engines in recent-model cars showed mechanical damage from fuel blend of unleaded gasoline and 15 percent ethanol, according to a study by a nonprofit research group backed by the petroleum and auto industries.

The Coordinating Research Council study of E15 arrives in the wake of U.S. EPA's approval of the fuel blend. Preliminary results from the study were circulated after EPA announced the first registrations of E15 on Monday.

"They're in a rush to get E15 into the market, and we just think that's a premature action from the agency," said Patrick Kelly, a senior policy adviser at the American Petroleum Institute, which worked with the council on the study.

Over the past year and a half, EPA has moved to allow E15 in motor vehicles, granting partial waivers for the


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sparky808
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 5:17:57 PM

No secret.
stephen2155
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 7:17:43 AM

Really
NedW
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 3:10:25 AM

This idea aint dead, yet?
NOTSOGRN
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:50:33 AM

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Nip this in the bud...
jrsva
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:36:27 AM

“‘. . . incomplete studies being put forth by ethanol's opponents who only want to continue our dangerous addiction to foreign oil,’ Buis said.”

Since adding ethanol to gasoline reduces fuel efficiency and MPG, using such blends causes more petroleum to be consumed, not less, thus adding to our addiction to oil, whether foreign or domestic. Ethanol has always been a bad idea; E15 just makes it worse.

kd5kpd
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:36:24 AM

Now much more proof do they need that ethanol is not good for gas engines? The problem is that the EPA doesnt care about damages it causes!!
Godozo
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:31:08 AM

E15 being pushed on us? Doesn't surprise us.

My theory on ethanol is that it's added to Gasoline to extend the amount of Gasoline the United States can sell, as we'd be under severe shortage if all the fuel out there was 100% gas. Now, with strange things happening at the pumps (one gas station was out of regular unleaded, another was selling Premium at Regular Unleaded Prices) I'm wondering whether we're getting to the point where we'll need to extend our gasoline even further...hence the arising of E15.

So...now, instead of 10 barrels of gas plus one barrel of ethanol giving us 11 barrels of gasohol, we now have 10 barrels of gas plus one 1/2 barrels of ethanol to give us 11.5 barrels of gasohol. Our fuel supplies are extended that much further, but at what cost to our older cars (ever drive behind a car using bad gasohol? It stinks, and in an ugly way)?
eric2theem
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:28:05 AM

i think its funny they do speak about what it was exactly that failed but what problems have people had with E10
Ron77095
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:27:15 AM

Duh!!!
GAS1251
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:25:22 AM

Having enough trouble with E10
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:22:43 AM

No!
King Korn is a movie and real corn should be food on the cob at a summer BBQ.
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:22:16 AM

It was funded by the petroleum and auto industry; who can we believe.
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:21:36 AM

ok
turbodog
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:21:26 AM

This fuel will fail.
singlemom27
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:18:42 AM

Get rid of ethanol mandates! They have caused nothing but trouble.
SBlouch
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:16:18 AM

But this EPA wants the E15 and Obama will do nothing to stop it. Wonder what EPA would do if they started getting sewed my people who have damaged auto's. Oops, I forgot you can't sew the federal government.
bobdec
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:14:09 AM

So does reg. ethanol, just scrap them
bba
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:13:03 AM

I am aware of some "flex-fuel" cars being able to run on E15 with reduced gas mileage...but not all cars. My 2009 Mazda 6 owners manual says using anything over 10% ethanol may damage the engine and WILL void the warranty.

What's the EPA going to do when the car mfgs won't support 15%?

How about pure 100% gas!
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:11:24 AM

Get rid of the EPA
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:11:12 AM

I wonder which engines were used here
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:09:40 AM

Interesting
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:09:31 AM

How can you stop these money hungry, greedy, & corrupt politicians? You vote them out and the next batch will be just the same. It never changes!! The Bible says "not to put your trust in earthling man". Psalms 146:3
OilerFan
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:05:30 AM

How new a study was this? Because it's been known for years that ethanol harms most engines. It would stand to reason that E15 would.
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:05:01 AM

Forget Ethanol in vehicles completely. Serve it to the EPA commissioners in their cocktails instead!
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:03:01 AM

Fascinating.
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:02:32 AM

I'm not really surprised, are you???
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:02:21 AM

just stop produce Ethanol at all, problem solved
dave1745
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:02:11 AM

It's not good for your car and it also is causing your food prices to go up
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:00:33 AM

do not keep expanding the blends of ethanol gas
BarryAClarke
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:57:14 AM

Not only bad for cars, but will drive the price of corn even higher. It already has gone from $2 to almost $8 per bushel. With E15, it will creat even a larger shortage. Look at any food product you buy such as chicken, eggs, milk, meat. All of these uses corn for feed. As an example, four years ago a one pound ribeye was $4.59 and today it is $8.95. Thank you President Obama along with your advisors................
must87searcher
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:57:13 AM

Ethanol is not a recommended tool. It just provides more costs to buyers, and this is a time when that is bad news, except to the ones providing the costs. It is all a waste of time and money!!!

Ethanol, being around for so long, is starting to look like some financial trick pulled by the EPA and the farmers. If so, it is probably a why to make extra money for themselves!!!
yakstar
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:55:10 AM

what can one do?
MusicalMan7
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:53:12 AM

Ethanol-free gas is pretty hard to find here. Saw it at a lot of mostly independent stations in Oklahoma, and knew a couple people who swore they got about 2-3 MPG more with 'real' gasoline than with the ethanol-laced product. Also once saw a sign at a mini-mart/restaurant/gas station which read:

FRESH WATERMELONS
$3.49
ABSOLUTELY NO ETHANOL

Well, I'd hope not - not in MY watermelon!
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:52:54 AM

Good! Maybe you'll buy an electric golf cart or a bicycle when your E15 consuming car rolls over and dies!
GigHarborHound
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:52:39 AM

NO ETHANOL!!!!
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:49:24 AM

ethanol bad for cars
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:49:00 AM

Even E-10 stinks, abolish ethanol.
Grumpy0521
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:47:57 AM

My vehicles seem to run fine with it.
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:46:37 AM

E15 should be banned! It damages both engines and mileage.
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:44:43 AM

TAKE 1 MINUTE~E-MAIL PRES.OBAMA ADIN. NO MORE E15 IN OUR VEHICLES!!! ( 2012 ALL OUT OF WASHINGTON D.C.!!) ! THIS A SAFE LINK.
Beaveronparade
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:42:18 AM

I'd love to start using the Ethanol free gas,we just don't have it around here.

[Edited by: Beaveronparade at 4/7/2012 12:44:06 AM EST]
ShadowACE
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:41:29 AM

cicio2000 said: "Shocking - a study that was bought and paid for by the oil industry says that ethanol is bad for engines. No conflict of interest there!"

No more than in the studies funded by the folks who are getting rich on ethanol that say it does not damage any engines. I've spent way too much money repairing both large and small engines over the past several years. Small engines and any older engines are far more vulnerable than most newer car/truck engines. I've bought two lawn mowers and three trimmers that lasted one season or less. In every one of them the repair shop has said that it either can't be repaired or that it would cost more to repair it than it cost to buy it.
10k
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:41:05 AM

maybe we can drain the moonshine out of the storage tanks before it's ruined with gas, drink what we can, and sell the rest..

wonder how many indiana and iowa corn farmers turned into overnight millioniares because of the epa's stupidity..

time to disband the epa anyway..
HKL
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:39:46 AM

OK
LCSTEELERBOB
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:39:01 AM

lets get to the point finaly about e15
Bezalel
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:38:21 AM

The funding source has an ax to grind, though.
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:37:15 AM

help save the corn
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:33:44 AM

My position has for a long time been....no ethanol is good for auto engines.
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:31:32 AM

O no!
mrbee
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:29:58 AM

But the politicians have pushed for this to satisfy the corn lobby.
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Are you just now figuring this out? Duh!
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