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Open Fuel Standard act attached to Senate transportation bill

Ethanol Producers Magazine -- Supporters of the Open Fuel Standard Act are still working to get the bill passed into law, which would mandate increasing levels of new vehicles manufactured or sold in the U.S. be flex-fuel capable—able to run on mixtures of E85, natural gas, hydrogen, biodiesel, electricity, fuel cell or new technologies.

Sens. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., and Dick Lugar, R-Ind. recently attached the Open Fuel Standard as an amendment to Senate bill 1813, a transportation bill, which, if passed, would reauthorize federal aid highway and highway safety construction programs.

Some form of the bill has been before Congress since 2005 without becoming law. “In the fuels market, it’s a fight for what’s perceived to be an ever smaller pie and every interest competes against every other interest,” Clark said.

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Submitted Mar 03, 2012 By: bar1035

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,610 Points:1,608,545 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2012 6:01:30 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse chris46: there are trucks that already do run on garbage outgassings.
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,438 Points:2,228,950 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 4, 2012 11:48:30 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse tomok - "Ethanol vehicles are Not needed!" Flex fuel is not limited to ethanol. And ethanol doesn't have to be made from corn.
niceguytx Champion Author Houston Posts:13,690 Points:2,712,535 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 4, 2012 9:00:18 AM Ignore niceguytx Report Abuse let the market decide.
sydb7 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,557 Points:1,919,005 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Mar 4, 2012 8:20:41 AM Ignore sydb7 Report Abuse ok
gravityhurts Champion Author North Carolina Posts:4,088 Points:936,530 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 4, 2012 6:21:45 AM Ignore gravityhurts Report Abuse Instead of all that why don't they make a law limiting the amount of federal taxes on gas...I know, a law limiting the price of gas...oh wait let's limit the sale of gas to anyone earning more than 100,000 dollars a year.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:32,987 Points:2,344,535 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Mar 4, 2012 4:14:14 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse would mandate increasing levels of new vehicles manufactured or sold in the U.S. be flex-fuel capable Ethanol vehicles are Not needed! Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle is, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost, if possible. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,438 Points:2,228,950 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 4, 2012 12:55:50 AM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse While it's pretty clear that corn-based ethanol benefits no one except, maybe, the farmers, this bill looks like it has the potential to decrease our dependence on oil. It should be beneficial for national security, if nothing else.
Chris46 Champion Author Dayton Posts:23,667 Points:2,081,340 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 4, 2012 12:19:03 AM Ignore Chris46 Report Abuse We need a car that will run on garbage.
anayguy Sophomore Author Akron Posts:243 Points:1,355,890 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 4, 2012 12:12:43 AM Ignore anayguy Report Abuse so you do not want cleaner burning cars nor different power/fuel sources for them
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tidalwave3 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:1,302 Points:1,462,810 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:59:52 PM Ignore tidalwave3 Report Abuse This is BAD, we want E-0
pecos Champion Author Columbus Posts:7,720 Points:2,111,310 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:55:14 PM Ignore pecos Report Abuse Obozo the magnificent and his henchmen at work to screw us more.
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EVBuddy Champion Author Nevada Posts:16,685 Points:3,030,620 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:53:29 PM Ignore EVBuddy Report Abuse Another mess
carloco75 Champion Author Richmond Posts:3,716 Points:600,365 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:52:36 PM Ignore carloco75 Report Abuse Supposedly the Lexus LS 600h has this ability...
Penny_Pincher Veteran Author Columbus Posts:435 Points:22,695 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:52:34 PM Ignore Penny_Pincher Report Abuse seems like a good idea. If you want the market to choose the fuel, the cars need to be able to use it.
bif65 Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,023 Points:195,355 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:51:15 PM Ignore bif65 Report Abuse ok
spotterFL Champion Author Florida Posts:4,104 Points:522,065 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:51:08 PM Ignore spotterFL Report Abuse One at a time! Why do they keep changing these bills by adding riders until it is unintelligible from the original version.
PerSonneL Champion Author Alberta Posts:1,188 Points:736,915 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:51:01 PM Ignore PerSonneL Report Abuse is that right?
lowpet All-Star Author Texas Posts:527 Points:86,915 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:49:26 PM Ignore lowpet Report Abuse e-anything is a waste of corn
tippybuddy Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,523 Points:207,740 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:48:45 PM Ignore tippybuddy Report Abuse adaptable may be the answer for sure
postcard9 All-Star Author Massachusetts Posts:883 Points:515,445 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:46:23 PM Ignore postcard9 Report Abuse $3.78
rjoeh Champion Author Michigan Posts:7,076 Points:2,469,240 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:44:30 PM Ignore rjoeh Report Abuse While I have my doubts the public will embrace the idea widely... I do see a valid need to make vehicles that can adapt to multiple sources of energy input to run.
DustyHorse Champion Author Virginia Posts:6,085 Points:1,391,805 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:44:25 PM Ignore DustyHorse Report Abuse I'm sure this will add a substantial increase to the cost of a new car. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:7,922 Points:1,574,980 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:34:38 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse if this were a good bill it would be brought to the floor on its own--the fact that it is buried means it is problematic
69Bonne Champion Author Gary Posts:1,150 Points:473,150 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:32:21 PM Ignore 69Bonne Report Abuse I agree, what bothers me is they are trying to bury it in another bill and maybe some won't notice.
skyking19 Champion Author Little Rock Posts:1,996 Points:1,698,715 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:31:27 PM Ignore skyking19 Report Abuse Amen.
livedream Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,680 Points:754,085 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:25:22 PM Ignore livedream Report Abuse Good point by Kaiyne -- "If it was a good Act then it could stand on its own without being attached to anything..." This bill should not be attached, or have anything attached to it. Each bill should stand alone based on it's own merits. Period.
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,066 Points:1,731,235 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:25:15 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse more rules more regulation equals less jobs when will they learn?
kcboy Champion Author Utah Posts:3,968 Points:1,507,800 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:24:05 PM Ignore kcboy Report Abuse Interesting comments. Thanks for reporting.
EmperorsFinest Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,564 Points:340,870 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:22:44 PM Ignore EmperorsFinest Report Abuse Not good if people don't like what it is attached too--I guess this is how politicians get what they want.
Kaiyne Champion Author Chicago Posts:2,334 Points:471,740 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:12:50 PM Ignore Kaiyne Report Abuse If it was a good Act then it could stand on its own without being attached to anything...
colaguy Champion Author Columbia Posts:3,171 Points:1,007,225 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:09:12 PM Ignore colaguy Report Abuse always doing this kind of crap in Washington
boborobot All-Star Author Michigan Posts:501 Points:416,675 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:06:25 PM Ignore boborobot Report Abuse Sounds like usual crap legislation we don't want being attached to standard legislation we have to have, this is how we get all our BS laws.
B_550i All-Star Author Seattle Posts:720 Points:192,945 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:03:38 PM Ignore B_550i Report Abuse Ok
VetteFan Champion Author Indiana Posts:9,739 Points:2,028,480 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 11:02:07 PM Ignore VetteFan Report Abuse All that sounds good until you see what it costs makers to make them available.This isn't a choice of V8 or V6, automatic or manual. We need more reasonable cars and we get this hare-brained idea. D-U-M-B dumb.
firefly09 Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,497 Points:716,700 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 10:57:56 PM Ignore firefly09 Report Abuse Ok.
orcar Champion Author Boise Posts:2,053 Points:776,790 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 10:55:14 PM Ignore orcar Report Abuse These fuels take very different systems. A multi fuel car would be very expensive. The biggest hurdle would be getting EPA approval.
camel1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:8,265 Points:2,265,640 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 10:51:55 PM Ignore camel1 Report Abuse could be good but corn ethanol is not good
gknee09 All-Star Author Philadelphia Posts:980 Points:821,915 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 10:51:51 PM Ignore gknee09 Report Abuse the attachment is crippling a bill that would provide jobs. this is why nothing gets done
boatmen Champion Author New York Posts:3,080 Points:622,580 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 10:50:35 PM Ignore boatmen Report Abuse NO more food for fuel thats all this is about
drobbbb Champion Author Maryland Posts:3,475 Points:811,485 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 10:50:02 PM Ignore drobbbb Report Abuse need all options given a chance
boborobot All-Star Author Michigan Posts:501 Points:416,675 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 10:46:40 PM Ignore boborobot Report Abuse Sounds like usual crap legislation we don't want being attached to standard legislation we have to have, this is how we get all our BS laws.
EXTREMESNOW Champion Author Medford Posts:8,910 Points:1,821,540 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 10:46:21 PM Ignore EXTREMESNOW Report Abuse Flex fuel capable along with high MPG. Sounds like noone will be making cars in the future.
OHMS Champion Author Orange County Posts:13,712 Points:1,690,905 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 10:43:16 PM Ignore OHMS Report Abuse Passing the Open Fuel Standard will reduce U.S. reliance on imported petroleum and help keep the country less vulnerable to oil supply shocks, he said. It also helps keep money and jobs in the U.S., while providing for economic growth. “I think it’s important to bring this forward as law as soon as possible,” Clark said, “because in the 21st century, energy policy is national security policy.”
GLM4205 Champion Author Toledo Posts:4,052 Points:799,320 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 10:41:50 PM Ignore GLM4205 Report Abuse Feed the corn to the cows, and not to the tractor.
bobcatfan Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,597 Points:617,545 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 10:41:33 PM Ignore bobcatfan Report Abuse Not going to happen. E85 is a pipe dream product that simply isn't viable. Stop turning corn into gas. Turn it into bourbon instead.
Soglaos Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:2,770 Points:737,235 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 10:38:18 PM Ignore Soglaos Report Abuse Thank you Washington DC you guys are proving to be bigger idiots then even I imagined you were
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:14,883 Points:1,440,370 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2012 10:37:17 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse At first I thought this sounds like a good idea. Then at the end of the article, I asked myself a question. How much will this add to the cost of a vehicle? The answer to that question probably makes this idea a bad idea.