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Vt. won't make renewable energy goals

Brattleboro Reformer -- MONTPELIER -- Two key state lawmakers said Tuesday that Vermont won't meet its goal of getting 20 percent of its electricity from renewable sources by 2017, and they're withdrawing their support for setting a new goal of 30 percent renewable power by 2025.

Reps. Tony Klein and Margaret Cheney, the chairman and vice chairwoman of the House Natural Resources and Energy Committee, also said legislation passed three years ago to offer premium prices to renewable energy project developers had fallen far short of its goal of bringing 50 megawatts of new renewable power onto the Vermont electric grid. Cheney said just 7.1 megawatts worth of such projects had been built.

The two Democrats said they were surprised to learn recently from the state Department of Public Service, which regulates util


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VDubBill
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:31:33 AM

You can't get to the pie in the sky from here.
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ExplorerWA
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 11:41:57 PM

Maybe they should have looked at this a little harder in the planning stage........Ya think?
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orphancarguyPE
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 10:51:37 AM

Just because Vermont isn't the best place for renewables of any sort, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. Not going to be cheap, not going to be easy, but it has to be done. Putting it off just makes for a short term relief of pain.
http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/10/the-energy-trap/

From personal experience and pricing research in my very 'Vermont-like' climate, I know full well that solar electric generation (PV) and a personal windmill are just not cost effective (yet) for me even at 12.65 cents a kw/hour, but solar house heating and solar hot water have more than paid back their costs ($10,000) in less than 4 years in heating oil (& electricity in a minor way for the furnace, or for electric backup to the hot water) not used.

After a certain point, its time to achieve overall goals by moving from mega-projects on an industrial producer scale, to micro-projects on a retail user scale. Same money, same net effect, different path.

Not saying that government should necessarily fund home owners as a gift to make energy cutting savings; perhaps making it into a many-making proposition to assist homeowners to make these changes and get the capital cost back plus some interest paid out of their savings achieved. If things 'as they are' would have cost you $350 a month, and likely $450 next year, but only $100-150 a month after a $10,000 retrofit of some sort, I'm quite sure people would be willing to pay $250 a month this year, and $300 next year to pay off that bill in a few years time. Both solar air heat and solar water have little or no running costs (mine is less than $20 year for minimal electricity on the solar air, nothing for the solar water) and no service is likely required for 10 year (new fan?) for the solar air, and 15 years (change of antifreeze glycol) for the solar hot water. With those two, I save about $3000 every year now, and as the price of heating oil climbs, even more later on.

The wonderful thing about solar hot water and solar air heat is that they can cut your costs dramatically--even somewhat on overcast days--no matter what sort of energy you use--electricity, propane, wood stove, oil furnace, natural gas, geothermal--to heat your house or hot water. It complements everything.

Really, its the people pushed to the limit/too poor/can't afford to live in their houses now (or retrofit them to save money) with high energy prices that need the real help.

More energy is just part of the solution; using less from central sources is the other part.



[Edited by: orphancarguyPE at 2/23/2012 10:53:23 AM EST]
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 9:52:49 AM

Vermont is not in a very good position to develop renewable energy. It is not exactly the sunniest state in the nation, so solar is not very productive, though as much as possible should be utilized regardless. Wind power is a disaster in that region, creating more environmental damage than it resolves. There would be no wind turbines at all in Vermont without the taxpayer subsidies. Hydropower would require the construction of numerous large dams, which are also environmentally destructive. And Vermont is not on a geothermal hot spot. Utilize all available biomass and get the most you possibly can out of solar; that’s about it for Vermont.

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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:58:45 AM

Try harder.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:48:32 AM

ok
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:39:42 AM

so What
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BM4225
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:37:17 AM

Setting a goal is great, achiving it in a timely manner is not always possible, but you are heading in the right direction. If all state did the same, then the increase in electric power would rise for all. I don't like higher prices, but it is the price we will have to pay for independence from others. Heck, we are not going to be paying for a neuclear plant that just go the OK to be built. Now watch how much that will be built over budget.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:31:32 AM

Reality, like a bucket of cold water to the face, intrudes.

Green is red.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:31:31 AM

Do these two "brain surgeons" in the Vermont legislature not understand there is a deep recession going on, and capital for development of renewable energy is real hard to come by? Even so, having a goal to aim for, even if it is missed, is preferable to having no target at all.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:30:55 AM

Not surprising - the technology isn't there and no amount of govt attempts to force it down the consumer throat will make it appear out of thin air. Use what exists and is available while working towards what you want the future to look like.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:29:33 AM

Should probably make the goal 20% by 2025.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:27:34 AM

Use oil, it is renewable!!!!!!!
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:27:32 AM

That's too bad, but keep trying.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:26:35 AM

If you can not meet the current targets, what good does it do to raise the targets?
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:26:24 AM

Costing the consumer an arm and a leg.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:23:50 AM

Renewable energy is digging a huge hole of debt for the tax payers.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:23:15 AM

Naturally, (state slogan)...
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:22:23 AM

Remember, Dems always spend more than them take in.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:21:32 AM

That's a shocker.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:21:05 AM

Renewable energy is a good idea if we go at it in a sensible way and not set unrealistic goals or expectations.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:20:31 AM

Lofty goal....It will take practical steps to accomplish.

I agree with salog on this -- "good goal; but needs more private support."
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:19:46 AM

If you just set back and do nothing it will not happen!
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:19:30 AM

I wonder how much the rush to an unattainable goal costs and who gains
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:18:49 AM

Renewable energy seems to cost to much
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:18:42 AM

so what have they been doing for 2.75 years sitting back and enjoying our money like usual ............................ We need to change this bull.

What ever happen to: WE THE PEOPLE we are in charge..........
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:17:52 AM

What makes them so special? If others can do it, so should they!
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:17:24 AM

i wonder if someone forced them to stand down?
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:16:50 AM

sound like politics.......... we are ruled by idiots and thieves.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:16:43 AM

Wow, you mean the enviro-nuts were off in their projections again? They're getting good at overestimating the practicality for renewable energy.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:16:38 AM

Everyone wants renewable power, they just don't want the wind farm or solar farm to create this power in their backyard.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:16:12 AM

Okay
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:16:01 AM

ok
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:15:53 AM

There is a lot of hot air in Washington...a few wind farms up there should provide enough power for the entire US. Build wind farms in Washington now so we can capture this phenomenon.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:14:40 AM

wow
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:14:24 AM


I guesspeople of Vermont probably don't know all of this.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:14:24 AM

The key words in this article are, "The two Democrats said, . . . . ." Enough said.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:13:46 AM

sad news.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:13:43 AM

Renewable energy is digging a huge hole of debt for the tax payers.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:13:19 AM

good goal; but needs more private support.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:13:15 AM

I'm with Vermont. These goals just cost the tax payers more money.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:12:22 AM

They're not going to make the 2017 goal so these lawmakers are dumping a proposed goal for 8 years later?? That makes no sense. I know, talking lawmakers and politicians.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:12:09 AM

Greenies misstated the future again.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:12:00 AM

The problem is that nobody looks a renewable energy sources when the economy is booming and money is free flowing and we can afford to invest in the future. It's only when the economy is depressed, everybody is just scraping by to try to make ends meet and then some idiot politician wants to spend our money on these kinds of renewable energy projects that are typically underfunded and just a money grap for political friends looking to make a buck who get the money then declare bankrupcy.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:11:12 AM

Too many people trying to make too much money on the governments' backs for this to work.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:10:45 AM

Vermont can import HEP from Quebec Canada next door at a very good price.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:09:34 AM

Every little bit helps though.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:09:23 AM

Too expensive to meet their goals.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:08:40 AM

Need alternatives
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:08:27 AM

I guess it just ain't happening or there is no money to invest.
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